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I am ready to buy, I think huh.gif a HP Mediasmart EX485 but I want to make sure of a few things first.

I will be using this for my home network which consists of 2 computers and 1 laptop. I will be using it mostly for storage and playback of home movies, photos and music. I will also like to take advantage of the web access feature to view my information on line when I am remote.

A couple of questions for the experts:

1. There is no difference between the 485 and 487 with the exception of the extra drive, correct?
2. Is the server compatible with Itunes?
3. Can I keep the Itunes library on the server and play music from different computers on my network?
4. I use Adobe's Photoshop elements for my photo management, is the server compatible with this program?
5. Can I keep my photos on the server and view them through Adobe on different computers on my network?
6. I absolutely cannot lose any of this date (family photos, videos, etc.) so I assume I will need to run this in a RAID 1 array, correct?
7. What is the maximum amount of storage capacity of this unit?
8. What drives do you recommend I purchase to add to this unit?
9. How does the arrival of the new Acer unit change things? Does the Acer unit have any advantages/disadvantages over the MediaSmart?
10. Can I stream music and videos over the internet?

Thank you for your assistance!

-HP EX485 MediaSmart Server
- 3 System Drives: 1 Barracuda 7200.11 750gb System Drive & 2 Barracuda 7200.11 1.5tb Drives

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May 26, 2009 11:32 AM updated: May 26, 2009 11:34 AM

Hi Scormodo,

1. Correct. The extra drive is the only difference. 

2. HP includes a custom iTunes add-in. You can learn more about iTunes and the MSS from some of the articles we have here: http://www.mediasmarthome.com/search?search=itunes&select=any&type=article&filter=all

3. See 2.

4. In what way? The MSS is, for storage purposes, a bunch of shared network folders.

5. Sure.

6. The MSS runs folder duplication on top of it's drive extender technology. It's not RAID, but you can think of it like folder level RAID. Still, any "critical-can't-lose" data should be backed up to mulitple mediums, and one copy stored off site.

7. Maximum capacity is only limited by hard disk drive capacities and number of bays (4), USB ports (4) and eSATA ports (1) on the HP MediaSmart Server. With 2 Terabyte drives, the user could conceivably have 18 Terabytes of capacity in the HP MediaSmart Server. If there is a top limit, I don't think you'll see that reached in some time based on the current max size of hard drives.

8. Any SATA hard drive can be used. Some people like Western Digital, others Seagate. My personal favorite is what's on sale.

9. From a hardware perspective, the Acer competes more with the LX-195 MediaSmart Server, only it has drive bays. The EX line from HP has more horsepower, and all the custom stuff they throw in (iTunes sharing, Video Converter, Twonky, Photo Publisher, video streaming, etc.)

10. Yep, with the recent 2.5 update, the EX can stream video, music, and photos to a browser or the iStream App for iPhone.

May 26, 2009 4:11 PM

To expand on what Matt said:

(7) By using multiple 8-bay USB expansion units you can support up to 31TB -- some folks have actually "maxed out" their MSS configurations. (In theory you should be able to get to 32 TB but 31 seems to be the practical limit.)

(8) Best price/byte appears to be 1.5 TB units. Personally I like the WD units. But I recommend you start with the one drive that comes with the unit and at least two additional drives for the most flexibility. (Don't bother to replace that System Drive -- it will be the last to be used for data so why spend good money making it larger?

(9) The HP MSS has also been around longer and has a couple excellent support sites.

...JohnBick

May 27, 2009 4:24 PM updated: May 27, 2009 4:29 PM

Can you do hardware level raid on this server?

Can you set up the "Folder Duplication" to duplicate onto added drives in the Media Server? How reliable is that?

How well does the workstation backup feature work?

What format are the backups in and do they use up a lot of space?

What type of security and montoring is built in or addable to making the server available on the internet?

Is the server easily accessible from Windows Mobile Devices through say the Sprint Network for Video, Picture, Audio and what have you?

Thanks,

Dave

May 27, 2009 7:02 PM

Matt Whitlock said: 
6. The MSS runs folder duplication on top of it's drive extender technology. It's not RAID, but you can think of it like folder level RAID. Still, any "critical-can't-lose" data should be backed up to mulitple mediums, and one copy stored off site.

What do you mean by Folder Level RAID?  If one drive fails, will I lose any data?

-HP EX485 MediaSmart Server
- 3 System Drives: 1 Barracuda 7200.11 750gb System Drive & 2 Barracuda 7200.11 1.5tb Drives

May 27, 2009 9:24 PM

ITDave said: Can you do hardware level raid on this server? Can you set up the "Folder Duplication" to duplicate onto added drives in the Media Server? How reliable is that? How well does the workstation backup feature work? What format are the backups in and do they use up a lot of space? What type of security and montoring is built in or addable to making the server available on the internet? Is the server easily accessible from Windows Mobile Devices through say the Sprint Network for Video, Picture, Audio and what have you? Thanks, Dave

DUPLICATION/RAID

I would avoid referring to it as "folder level RAID" as the connotations confuse. I prefer to describe it as "similar to RAID-1 (mirror) but controlled on a folder basis". The WHS DE logic will duplicate selected folders to a different physical drive within the storage pool. It is highly reliable and works very well.

Links to MS WHS Technical Briefs (whitepapers) can be found at ttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/support.mspx , including a technical brief on the DE logic that should cover anything you might think to ask! For a discussion of E vs RAID you might check out  http://www.fearthecowboy.com/2008/08/windows-home-server-drive-extender-vs.html and/or http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=490 />
See this blog post for the reasons behind the MS decisions to invest in a new, consumer-grade solution - Windows Home Server Drive Extender - instead of using RAID:
http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/08/11/why-raid-is-not-a-cons... .

And if you still have any questions there is always SEARCH! Seriously, if you read all that you will be answering the questions, not asking! 

BACKUPS

The client backups are in a specialized database -- it requires a WHS unit to recover the backups but files or folders can be recovered individually or an entire disk can be restored at once. 

INTERNET SECURITY

This is pretty much limited to authorizing users and requireing strong passwords (or disabling remote access completely) and the standard Windows Firewall. (Be very careful installing another firewall since you do not have keyboard/monitor/mouse to set up those ports on a headless unit.) I have seen recent mention of some dual mode authentication support (third party) but have not looked into it. There are Add-Ins to make it easy to see what IP addresses have accessed -- or attempted to access -- your MSS. Generally I believe folks have been "OK" with the MS functionality in this area, especially with the need to get past a router toi get into it in the first place.

MOBILE DEVICE SUPPORT

I believe that folks have been reasonably successful using mobile device but this area, especially the video, is really the current "bleeding edge" of the picture at the moment. The iPhone seems to be OK for all this. Other units present a more mixed set of results. Pick your mobile device and then serch, here, at http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/ for more specific MSS feedback on this subject.

...JohnBick

May 27, 2009 9:30 PM

Scormodo said:
Matt Whitlock said: 
6. The MSS runs folder duplication on top of it's drive extender technology. It's not RAID, but you can think of it like folder level RAID. Still, any "critical-can't-lose" data should be backed up to mulitple mediums, and one copy stored off site.
What do you mean by Folder Level RAID?  If one drive fails, will I lose any data?

That's how it's supposed to work. You specify which folders should be redundant, and folder duplication will copy that data to more than one drive. Any data that's duplicated will not be lost.

Unlike RAID, the benefit here is that not all data has to be duplicated, maximizing your space for non-essential stuff. Drives of different sizes can be used, and it's easy to add and replace drives.

Here are some additional resources to learn more about drive extender:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=40C6C9CC-B85F-45FE-8C5C-F103C894A5E2&displaylang=en

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Drive_Extender

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2009/04/10/a-reminder-of-the-advantages-of-drive-extender-over-raid/

http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/08/11/why-raid-is-not-a-consumer-technology.aspx

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