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Little_Mike -- the E5200 worked fine out of the box. The only issue I had with the E5200 was that I had to disable Speed Stepping in the BIOS which required me to buy a custom cable. Other than that, it has been rock solid and very stable.
I would suggest you read this entire thread if you are planning to upgrade. Several different CPUs have been tried unsuccessfully and it might save you some pain.
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Hi Everyone:
I just upgraded my brand new HP EX-485 WHS. I used the Intel Dual-Core E5200 (2.5GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB L2 cache).
I followed Donavon West from www.HomeServerHacks.com instructions. (Thanks Donavon).
The server is working just fine. There are no issues to report.
Here's some pics:
Thanks to everyone on this great forum and the entire WHS family.
Marcos
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September 1, 2009 11:35 AM
September 1, 2009 12:54 PM
updated: September 1, 2009 1:04 PM
Thanks Jutley,
I actually have read through the entire thread, which is why I picked the E5200 (800 FSB, 45NM, and 65W with a low thermal output). I may of missed a part about speed stepping though, but I thought that was only with the EX47* series.
Do you think speed stepping could be giving me an issue? I'll probably purchase the monitor/keyboard adaptor myself and give it a shot.
September 2, 2009 11:14 PM
WHS4u said: Flip: Great info. I've been thinking about going to the next level with a Core2 Duo E7500 upgrade... but I will wait to see some more of your results. Please keep us posted. Can you explain a bit more what happened with the Intel E6600. Thanks
its been a few months now, still any desire to try the E7500 or another step up from the E5200?
anybody try the Crucial CT51264AA667 4GB 240-pin DIMM DDR2 PC2-5300 Memory Module yet on a 48X?
September 3, 2009 9:38 AM
I tried the e5200 and had no luck. I do not have a way to view this on boot, but after installing it, the third light (bottom right) blinks on (blue) and off after I boot up. I can hear the hard drives turn on, but not sure they are doing anything.
I put the original CPU back in, and everything was fine, but not sure if i should try the e5200 again. Am I supposed to do something in BIOS prior to placing the CPU in? Is there any way to know whats happening without a vga adapter cable?
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September 3, 2009 10:11 AM
I wonder if there is any correlation between the hardware revisions shown on the bottom of the unit to those that succeed versus failures. Maybe those that had success, could provide this information as well.
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September 3, 2009 11:09 AM
Hi Joe,
I ran into the same problem you did. I ordered the vga cable so I can get into the BIOS.
Next time I take my mahine apart, I will find out what BIOS version was initially installed on the MB. The revision should be right on top of the flash memory chip.
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September 3, 2009 12:36 PM
Little_Mike said: Hi Joe, I ran into the same problem you did. I ordered the vga cable so I can get into the BIOS. Next time I take my mahine apart, I will find out what BIOS version was initially installed on the MB. The revision should be right on top of the flash memory chip.What is the hardware revision shown on the bottom of the system? Maybe we should be tracking this info to see if there is a common theme.
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September 7, 2009 2:10 PM
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OK, mine does say Hardware Revision B on the bottom. With the top off, there is a label there that also mentions H/W Rev. B.
I have the video cable so when I am looking at the initial BIOS screen, I have this information:
AMIBIOS American Megatrends, Inc.
BOIS Date: 09/23/08 13:45:28 Ver: HPMSS017
63-0100-009999-00101111-092308-Bearlake-HPMSS017-Y2KC
I would be curious to know on the systems that have an upgraded CPU, what is the particular BIOS screen says. Is it the same as mine. My system hangs just after the memory test. I hit the key to go into BIOS and the system sees the key press but never makes it into the BIOS screen. Not sure what the hang up exactly is. It does see the processor, the correct model, the correct speed, the correct processor count. It performs the memory test then stops.
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September 9, 2009 10:51 PM
updated: September 11, 2009 11:01 PM
****UPDATE****
Thanks to a tip that Little_Mike provided about enabling the PECI in the BIOS before changing out the processor turned a failure to a success!!! That right, I have a EX485 running with a E6300 2.8Ghz 1066FSB Processor.
****UPDATE****
I guess that I should mention that I have tried a "Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor" in (2) different EX485s WITHout SUCCESS!!!
I am going to be trying a "Intel Celeron E3300 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor" out very soon. I like the fact that according to what I am seeing in one review, it uses about 2/3 power than the E5200 at full load. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-e3300_8.html#sect0
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September 10, 2009 7:25 PM
updated: September 10, 2009 8:29 PM
Ok, I'm in the BIOS for AMIBIOS v8. How do I disable speed stepping? I went through every single page and I can't find anything related to it. Is it called something different than Speed Step ??
EDIT: Ok, so I get past the BIOS POST. Now it's going into System Restore mode. Not sure why...
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September 10, 2009 9:40 PM
Little_Mike said: Ok, I'm in the BIOS for AMIBIOS v8. How do I disable speed stepping? I went through every single page and I can't find anything related to it. Is it called something different than Speed Step ?? EDIT: Ok, so I get past the BIOS POST. Now it's going into System Restore mode. Not sure why...
I never found anything that would turn on or off speed stepping either. I'm not sure what I am missing.
I also had the issue with it wanting to start a restore. I don't know if this is the correct answer. But what I had to do, was change the boot drive to the physical hard drive 0 versus the USB drive. That gets it booting up correctly, but I'm not sure if this is something that should be necessary.
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September 11, 2009 1:02 PM
updated: September 11, 2009 1:28 PM
Klips,
Seems we had the same issue. If I enable PECI in the advanced CPU settings, I can get the chip to show up and the BIOS to POST.
I then go into the restore boot problem. I acutally didn't pick up on it quick enough, and it formatted my damn system disk. I then tried a system restore, which didn't work. All in all I manually plugged my drives into other computers to back up data. I'll retry tonight.
So, I'm going to try this:
Enable PECI
Change the boot drive (can you please give me the steps on how to accomplish this?)
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September 11, 2009 11:09 PM
updated: September 12, 2009 12:37 AM
For anyone that has tried and failed to get their system to run with a Dual-Core Processor, you have to try it again by enabling the PECI BIOS setting prior to replacing the CPU. This made all the difference in the world to my success.
So I can say that I have a "Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor" installed and running in my HP ex485.
Now for the difficult question that someone else might be able to answer. I'm am currently looking at the CPU temperature from the WHS Console and it says that my idle temperature is 49C. I currently have the OCCT program running and it says the idle temperature of the (2) cores are 34C and 32C. I installed the CPUID HWMonitor program and also reports the core temps as 34C and 32C. At a 15min run with OCCT, the peak temp of the WHS Console showed 80C and the CPUID HWMonitor showed 61C & 59C. Should I believe the temperature from the WHS console or the other two programs????
Thanks...
P.S. I hope the Ed Tittel sees this and tries his L3110 Xeon CPU again if he didn't have the PECI enabled in the BIOS. Good Luck Ed!!!
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September 12, 2009 12:09 AM
I can also say I now have my chip installed and running after enabling the PECI BIOS setting under CPU Configuration.
I'm running at 54C right now.
NOTE: I messed up big time. When I turned on the server for the first time, I did not have any drives installed. I just wanted to ensure that the BIOS posted and the chip showed up. This actually switched up my BIOS boot settings, and put the USB recovery drive in front of the HDD. When I put back in my HDD and turned it back on, the boot drive did not switch automatically back to the HDD. This caused my server to go into a restore state.
So, if you upgrade your chip, my advice:
1. Enable PECI before you change out your chip. If you change out your chip first, you will not be able to get into the BIOS
2. Make sure your drives are all installed in the same order before allowing it to post past the BIOS. As a safeguard, make sure your HDD is listed as the first drive in the boot configuration menu.
Good luck!
September 12, 2009 2:21 PM
Hi All,
I just upgraded my EX485 to E5200 and I am getting a blinking Health LED in Blue and the system would not boot. I switched back to the original Celeron CPU and it boots up and everything works fine again. I took the E5200 and installed it in Dell Inspiron 530 replacing E4500 CPU and E5200 worked perfectly. What is wrong with E5200 upgrade to cause the Blinking Blue Health LED?
The EX-485 has following HDs
2x Samsung HD154UI (2 x 1.5 TB 5400 hd)
1x Seagate ST31500341AS (1 x 1.5 TB 7200 hd)
1x Seagate ST3750630AS (1 x 750 GB 7200 hd - Boot & data that came pre-installed)
Thank you in advance for any help or direction on how do diagnose this issue further.
-Ken
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Ken1492 said: Hi All, I just upgraded my EX485 to E5200 and I am getting a blinking Health LED in Blue and the system would not boot. I switched back to the original Celeron CPU and it boots up and everything works fine again. I took the E5200 and installed it in Dell Inspiron 530 replacing E4500 CPU and E5200 worked perfectly. What is wrong with E5200 upgrade to cause the Blinking Blue Health LED? The EX-485 has following HDs 2x Samsung HD154UI (2 x 1.5 TB 5400 hd) 1x Seagate ST31500341AS (1 x 1.5 TB 7200 hd) 1x Seagate ST3750630AS (1 x 750 GB 7200 hd - Boot & data that came pre-installed) Thank you in advance for any help or direction on how do diagnose this issue further. -Ken
Unless you have the VGA/PS2 cable assembly to access the BIOS settings, I can't be much help. With some help with Little_Mike, I was able to enable the PECI option in the BIOS prior to changing the CPU. It allowed him and I both to successfully run our processors. He got his E5200 running and I got my E6300 running in our ex485s.
http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3980
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September 13, 2009 12:48 AM
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Hello,
By enabling the PECI option in the BIOS prior to replacing the CPU, I can now say that I have successfully tested both of these processors:
Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
Intel Celeron E3300 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
While the temperature readings using the WHS Console are significantly higher than what is reported by OCCT and HWMonitor, I could very likely use either processor in the system. I believe that I am going to stick with the E3300 Dual-Core Processor for now because I have verified it indeed runs significantly cooler. At full load (WHS Console) the E6300 peaked to 80-81C while the E3300 only peaked at 72-73C. At idle, the E6300 was around 49-50C and the E3300 is currently running 45-46C. I'm not sure I believe the temperature that the WHS Console is reporting, but if you do then 80C is a little on the hot side.
I have some other cooling ideas that I plan to implement and share soon. But here is the article that got me interested in the E3300. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-e3300_8.html#sect0
From what I have put together on my own, I can say with some confidence that the E3300 will outperform and run cooler than any of the E1xxx series Dual-Core Celerons as well. It is based on the 45nm architecture and the E3xxx series will be replacing the previous E1xxx series.
I don't have an E5200 to test, but I am having my doubts to whether I would see any difference in temperatures between the E6300 and the E5200. I have notice that it is getting much harder to find any vendors with any E5200 stock. So if you want one of those, you should order one very soon. On NewEgg, the E5200 is showing as a deactivated item.
Now only if I could figure out how to disable "Speed Stepping", I'd be happy. I sure don't see the option in the BIOS that I am looking at. :-)
Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGU9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116091&cm_re=E6300_i...
Intel Celeron E3300 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGU4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116264&Tpk=e3300%20i...
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September 17, 2009 2:18 PM
Any Chance we could get some directions for blind updateing the BIOS to enable PECI. That would great to allow those of us without the VGA adapter to permit us to upgrade our CPU
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September 22, 2009 12:41 AM
Back in July, I tried two different E5200 chips on my EX485, No changes to the BIOS. The server would not POST with either one of the E5200 chips. :(
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HPEX485 said: Back in July, I tried two different E5200 chips on my EX485, No changes to the BIOS. The server would not POST with either one of the E5200 chips. :(
From Little_Mike's and my experience, you must first make a change in the BIOS to enable the PECI option before changing out the CPU. Someone asked about instructions for a BLIND change. I haven't had time to go through the steps and record them down. However; I am also concern that if I provided it, I would be blamed if something didn't work correctly and it could cause more harm than good. The cable is a good thing to have around. I also used the PS2 keyboard/mouse connection, so I also would to see how things work with a USB keyboard as well.
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September 23, 2009 6:24 PM
updated: September 23, 2009 9:05 PM
I can't justify spending $70 on a cable I'm only going to use once for five minutes.
If there's someone that would be kind enough to post a blind walkthrough on how to enable the PECI setting in the BIOS it would be greatly appreciated...AND I'm sure I could make it worth your time.
So Here's the deal. A fully licensed (legal) Windows 7 64 or 32 bit Ultimate good for one activation for the first person who posts a working blind walkthrough to enable PECI Blind on the EX485.
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September 23, 2009 10:03 PM
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I've been away from this forum for a while and see this thread is thriving.
I really do not understand why some people have had success with the E5200 and others do not. It’s really a mystery to me. I don’t think it’s related to HP hardware revisions, but to the Intel CPU revision. This is just a theory.
When I upgraded my CPU, I did not make any changes to the BIOS. The EX485 started without any problems. After running some test (see beginning of thread), I noticed the CPU was running at half speed and that’s when I disabled the Speed Step feature using the VGA/keyboard cable.
Be aware that I never modified the PECI options. Do you guys mean the PCI-E options?? I don’t know what the PECI is. However, if modifying this setting is working for you, that’s great.
BTW, the Speed Step option is in the CPU configuration under Advance Settings. See pic here: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bios_advanced.jpg
Regarding my EX-485, I’m happy to report that it’s working fine with no issues to report.
Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs
September 23, 2009 10:10 PM
For those asking for a blind update, you CANNOT do that without a closing the J circuit with a jumper. I had no luck using the keyboard until I closed this circuit.
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