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April 23, 2009 10:57 PM

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Hi Everyone:

I just upgraded my brand new HP EX-485 WHS. I used the Intel Dual-Core E5200 (2.5GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB L2 cache).

I followed Donavon West from www.HomeServerHacks.com instructions. (Thanks Donavon).

The server is working just fine. There are no issues to report.

Here's some pics:

CPU

 CPU2

CPU2

 Hardware_Status

 Thanks to everyone on this great forum and the entire WHS family.

Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs

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August 5, 2009 10:30 PM

I installed an Celeron E1400 dual core 2.00 Ghz and it works flawlessly. Although it runs too hot gor my liking. 61-63 at idle and 71-74 under load with AS5 thernal compound. The HP mediasmart case just dosent have the airflow needed for anything more than the stock 440. maybe a celeron 450 @ 2.2 ghz. Luckliy I was planning on building an HTPC and the E1400 will work perfect for that so there was nothing wasted.

August 6, 2009 12:38 AM

If it doesn't shut down under load, I wouldn't worry about the temp.

August 6, 2009 11:56 AM

I've tried the L3110 and so far no go. Looking into BIOS issues and the Intel known bugs documentation to see if anything pops out, but so far no joy. I'll keep everybody posted about my progress, or lack thereof.
--Ed--

Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
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August 7, 2009 7:08 PM

Here is the performance differance between the stock celeron 440 and the celeron E1400.

I am going to try and fabricate a custom heatsink for this. The hole spacing for an intel socket 448 is very close to the spacing on the mediasmart.

August 12, 2009 10:49 PM

I found a 1U server copper heatsink with 10mm fan on it that has a total height of 26mm. I have got it almost finished and ready to install. I had to cut its width and length down slightly and relocate the holes for the mounts. I just need to fab a new fan mount to hold the 70mm fan to it. I should have it finished tomorrow and installed with the E1300 again. I let everyone know my findings.

August 13, 2009 6:00 PM

turbocivic said: I found a 1U server copper heatsink with 10mm fan on it that has a total height of 26mm. I have got it almost finished and ready to install. I had to cut its width and length down slightly and relocate the holes for the mounts. I just need to fab a new fan mount to hold the 70mm fan to it. I should have it finished tomorrow and installed with the E1300 again. I let everyone know my findings.
Did you mention somewhere what your temperatures where?  I'd be curious to know if it runs any cooler than say an E5200.

HP EX485, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron E3300 2.5GHz Dual-Core Processor, 4 x 2TB WD Caviar Green

August 13, 2009 9:49 PM

Klips said:
turbocivic said: I found a 1U server copper heatsink with 10mm fan on it that has a total height of 26mm. I have got it almost finished and ready to install. I had to cut its width and length down slightly and relocate the holes for the mounts. I just need to fab a new fan mount to hold the 70mm fan to it. I should have it finished tomorrow and installed with the E1300 again. I let everyone know my findings.
Did you mention somewhere what your temperatures where?  I'd be curious to know if it runs any cooler than say an E5200.
The E1400 with stock cooler was 61-63 at idle and 71-73 under laod.

August 16, 2009 9:59 AM

August 17, 2009 6:59 AM

Dear Turbocivic:

What kinds of temps did you get with active cooling in place? Beautiful looking mod job, too: is this something for which you can provide step-by-step instructions for the rest of us? I certainly hope so!

FYI, and for other interested readers as well: when trying to get the L3110 to work with Charles Kalapati's header cable installed so I could see what the BIOS was doing, it did indeed recognize the chip and get through initial steps in the POST process, but each time it bombed out during the USB recognition phase. Same thing happened with the E5300, BTW. Will try an E5200 next and hopefully get it working. And thus also, am very interested in improved cooling solutions as well.

--Ed--

Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
Bio, resume and list of pubs at www.edtittel.com
Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
Expert Q'n'A/content for 6 TechTarget.com Web sites

August 17, 2009 8:15 AM

turbocivic said:
Step by step instructions and a link to the heatsink and fan you purchased would be fantastic!

August 17, 2009 10:54 AM

It cut off where I posted my temps. With the active cooler and the E1400 CPU MSS hardware monitoring still read 62 idle and 73 under load. So I used real temp and it reported my temps where around 52 idle and 62-63 under load. So the cooler dropped my temps by about 10 c at idle and load compared to the E1400 with the stock heatsink which idled 62-63 and load was 72-73 c. Unfortunately because the MSS thinks the temps are so high it kicks all the fans speeds up. So at idle the rear fans run 1600 rpm and at load they run at 2000 rpm. So with all 3 fans going it is too loud for an always on server. A different fan on the CPU might help reduce the noise but ultimately since the MSS hardware monitoring doesn't read the temps correctly from the dual core there will still be problems. If I get time I might try this cooler with the stock 440 CPU just to see how loud it is when the MSS reads the temps correctly. This is the cooler and fan I used from thermaltake it's a 1U socket 775 cooler P/N CL-P0187. Here's the link http://www.tt-server.com/Product.aspx?S=2&ID=41 you can find it online from different vendors I found it for around $30. I will post some instructions later.

August 17, 2009 11:20 AM

This fan might help with the noise. It rated at 4200 RPM instead of the 4800 the thermaltake fan runs at. There db rating are both 36, but the fan has a lower power drawe as well.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6161/fan-332/Cooljag_Everflow_70mm_x_10mm_F...

August 17, 2009 11:30 AM updated: August 17, 2009 11:34 AM

Can you provide a list of what parts you purchased, and where?

Also did you have to change any BIOS settings for the CPU Upgrade?

I found this one online:
http://www.antonline.com/p_CL-P0187-NX_179502.htm

Its 31.32 I guess this is the correct one?

And I am looking for a CPU that is: E1400 correct?

Thanks,

August 17, 2009 1:17 PM

I got the Celeron E1400 from tiger direct http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=38... Only becuase Newegg was out of stock, the yhave it for $49.99 now.

Thats is the correct cooelr as well. I got mine from here. http://www.antonline.com/p_CL-P0187_179502.htm

Just a reminder it is not a direct replacment cooler.

August 17, 2009 3:46 PM

Did you have to mess with the Bios? or just plug and play?

And speed step, any changes?

August 17, 2009 8:40 PM

I did nothing to the bios, and speed step is enabled by default.

August 17, 2009 9:15 PM

Okay so I didn't take any pictures as I went so I will try and out line this as best as possible.1.      Parts needed Thermaltake socket 775 CL-P0187 cooler, 1 piece of aluminum sheet metal 8x10 18ga, 4 3mm screws or bolts 16mm in length, 4 washer, and thermal compound. I also recommend lapping the heatsink to take any imperfection out of the surface and for that I would get some 800, 1000, and 2000 grit sandpaper.2.      You will need to remove the stock heatsink from the server and use it as your template (you will not damage it in anyway). The stock cooler is about 73.66mm wide and 80.77mm in length and 29.97mm high. The mounting holes are about 60mm apart length wise and 65mm apart width wise.

With the cooler removed you will use it to copy the outside diameter and the mounting hole location to the new cooler. The new cooler has a raised pad that sits on the SPU so make sure how you lay the marks out allow it to fully cover the CPU. also check where your mounting holes will be drilled and make sure there not to close to the existing holes.   To cut it I used a cutoff wheel, after its cut you will need a file and a pick the clean the edges up and remove the slag from in between the fins. Where your holes are drilled you will need to remove the fins. You can do this by bending them back and fourth or cutting them off. After the cuts and holes are drilled it should like something like this. What's left should be the same size as the stock cooler and the holes should line up. 

    

               Next you will need to make a mount from the sheet metal for the fan. The fan mount must run length wise. You will need to cut a piece 3 3/4 long by 3 1/4 wide. Then center the fan on it. You can use the original fan bracket as a template for the opening. Then using a drill I would mark and drill the holes to mount the fan to it (with the fan centered). I would open up the center of the mount with a drill, whole saw, or tin snips. Then you can cut the outside the match the photo or what ever you prefer. You will need to make 4 bends in the metal. After its bent and the fan is mounted you can place it over the heatsink and line the tabs up over the existing screw holes on the uncut end of the heatsink. The drill two holes that match them and screw it on. Then on the other end drill two holes into the bracket and through about 4 of the fins on the heatsink. It should look like this when done. 

1.      For the mounts I haven't found any springs short enough yet, so I used 4 3mm screws 16mm in length and 4 washer to hold it to the CPU. I am trying to locate some springs and a different bolt for a more professional look. The screws will work just as well, just make sure you don't over tighten them and screw it down in a cris cross pattern.

The finished fan and heat sink should look like this.

August 24, 2009 7:36 AM

Well, I just ordered an Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor to try out. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116091

I see no reason that if a person can get E5200s working that this one would not (other than it runs at 1066FSB). I'll use this CPU for something else if it doesn't work.

I do have a question to anyone in the group that has worked with getting service parts from HP for the EX4xx. What do you believe the chances are that they would or could sell me a CPU heat sink? As it is made out of aluminum, I'd like to see if I can get it milled out to allow a small fan to sit down in the heat sink (for case clearance). I don't want to take a chance on ruining the only one I have.

Has anyone ever tried lapping the current heat sink? Any improvement?

Thanks...

HP EX485, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron E3300 2.5GHz Dual-Core Processor, 4 x 2TB WD Caviar Green

August 27, 2009 4:18 PM updated: August 27, 2009 6:11 PM

Well I tried the E5200 upgrade today. I cannot get the system to turn back on. All i get is the blinking blue light, and none of my hard drive lights turn on.

The hard drives, however, are spinning. I'm not sure what to do. I'm going to try and put back in the old chip and see what happens.

Edit: I put back in the old chip, and all works well. so i did not brick my machine.

What are the chances that I was shipped a bad chip? I tried putting it into another motherboard, and it did not start up. This motherboard, while a LGA775, is old. It has a FSB of 1066. Will my 800mhz e5200 even load on it?

edit 2: I think its a bad chip. I also tried it in my Dell 5150 and no dice.

August 31, 2009 6:50 PM

I found a compatible motherboard and my chip is NOT DOA. My EX485 will not take the chip. I've tried searching everywhere, but I see nothing regarding a EX485/7 BIOS update.

Can anyone please give me some advice? Does the EX47x have the same BIOS as the EX48x ? I don't think they would, but wanted to ask. I did read how the EX47x models need a BIOS update to run the dual core, but nothing for the EX48x.

I'm a sad MSS owner right now

I REALLY want to update my chip as I'm running ColdFusion on my box. It runs great until I send out a mass email for my photo blog, and then my server gets pounded by like 30 family members. If I had the dual core, it would handle the load fine.

Thanks!

August 31, 2009 8:42 PM

The BIOS for the EX48x is different than that for the EX47x.

...JohnBick

August 31, 2009 9:19 PM updated: August 31, 2009 9:23 PM

Thanks John.

Do you know if the EX48x should handle the dual core with the system default BIOS?

I guess another question is whether or not the EX485 shipped out with different versions of the BIOS?

September 1, 2009 10:17 AM updated: September 1, 2009 10:18 AM

I don't know of anyone who has a dualcore working on their ex485. only the ex475 with a bios update. And even then it's hit or miss. We don't even know if that guy's machine from a few posts back is stable or not.

September 1, 2009 10:27 AM

I have had the E5200 running in my EX485 for months with no problems.

September 1, 2009 10:57 AM

Mitch,

I guess I was a little misled by this article, which is why I attempted the upgrade in the first place.

I'll probably try a few more days of research before just building a HTPC with the chip.

Jutley, did your EX485 just work after swapping the chip, or did you have to perform any sort of BIOS update? How is it performing for you?

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