I would like to bump up my EX485's CPU. I think the built in one is a show pig that takes away from the full potential of WHS. I originally ran WHS on a PowerEdge 2900 with 4GB of ram and 2x E5335 Quad core Xeon's and this system ran like a dream! Only downside was that the system was BIG, louder then I wanted and cost $20-25 a month to run.
I like the small case of the EX485 but the CPU's gotta go. Going from 2GB of ram to 4GB of ram with a single core celeron will show little gains if not even reverse gains. IMHO, the best thing to do is to find a DUAL maybe even QUAD core CPU that efficient and is low wattage.
So far what I've seen is that the E4300 and the E5400 work. I've heard people talking about the L3110 low voltage Xeon 45W CPU but no one actually use it, benchmark it and stress test it.
Has anyone tried one of these L3110's? They are a bit on the costly side $389.99 From Newegg.com but if this sucker works and is well within the thermal limits, I'll pop for the extra cost.
What do you guys think?
"Intel Xeon L3110 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 45W Dual-Core Server Processor - Retail"
Categories: Server Mods and Hacking
Hi Everyone:
I just upgraded my brand new HP EX-485 WHS. I used the Intel Dual-Core E5200 (2.5GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB L2 cache).
I followed Donavon West from www.HomeServerHacks.com instructions. (Thanks Donavon).
The server is working just fine. There are no issues to report.
Here's some pics:
Thanks to everyone on this great forum and the entire WHS family.
Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs
I just installed E5200 on my EX285 but it won't start just a blinking blue status light...
EDIT: I reinstalled the old processor and it works fine.
What does the blinking blue status light mean?
Is the CPU defective?
Dear Tossil:
Better prices on the L3110 are available. Last time I researched I found one as "cheap" as $253; other lower prices were perpetually out of stock. I still plan to do this, and may finally have some time coming up later this month.
Best,
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
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EdTittel said: Dear Tossil: Better prices on the L3110 are available. Last time I researched I found one as "cheap" as $253; other lower prices were perpetually out of stock. I still plan to do this, and may finally have some time coming up later this month. Best, --Ed--
L3110, Xeon, 3GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2, Dual Core, 45W 45 nm Socket LGA 775
440, Celeron, 2GHz, 800MHz FSB, 512KB L2, Single Core, 35W, 65nm, Socket LGA 775
Do you think the EX48x will accept the L3110 seeing as it’s a 1333MHz FSB? If it does work but runs at 800MHz FSB, that’ll make it a 1.8GHz dual-core CPU (800/1333 = .6 x 3GHz = 1.8GHz). Other things I see that make this very promising are that you gain a boat load of L2, add a core and go down 20nm is size all at the expense of 10W. Seeing as it’s a smaller Manufacturing Tech, the heat output is naturally less than its equal counterpart being made at 65nm.
I'm still in if this works, let me know and thanks for the heads up on pricing! Normally Newegg is spot on for price for me. Just goes to show me that I can't always expect the best pricing from them.
-Tossil
Dear Tossil:
In working with half-a-dozen different CPUs in the AMD-based EX47* models for my Tom's story, I learned that swapping out CPUs on the mini-ITX-sized HP MSS mobos is always a crapshoot. In general, though, I've had pretty good luck with 45 W parts and that's the only reason I'm willing to spend the money (I can't find anybody who'll give me one, not even Intel) on the L3110. I don't think running the FSB at 800 instead of 1333 will be a problem, either--underclocking usually poses none of the issues that overclocking does, and these HP mobos are good about reading SPD values from the RAM and setting FSB speeds in BIOS accordingly.
I'll keep you posted. I plan to order the part today or tomorrow.
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
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Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
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A blinking blue status light with no boot-up usually means the motherboard can't recognize the CPU, or perhaps that it might indeed be defective. But because the MSS mobo is so picky, the blinking light only tells you SOMETHING is wrong, not exactly what the problem might be.
Sorry I didn't see your query earlier. It just kind of zoomed past me.
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
Bio, resume and list of pubs at www.edtittel.com
Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
Expert Q'n'A/content for 6 TechTarget.com Web sites
EdTittel said:
A blinking blue status light with no boot-up usually means the motherboard can't recognize the CPU, or perhaps that it might indeed be defective. But because the MSS mobo is so picky, the blinking light only tells you SOMETHING is wrong, not exactly what the problem might be.
Sorry I didn't see your query earlier. It just kind of zoomed past me.
--Ed--
No problem.
If I buy a VGA/PS2 cable can I see the specific problem on screen?
HL981 said:EdTittel said: A blinking blue status light with no boot-up usually means the motherboard can't recognize the CPU, or perhaps that it might indeed be defective. But because the MSS mobo is so picky, the blinking light only tells you SOMETHING is wrong, not exactly what the problem might be. Sorry I didn't see your query earlier. It just kind of zoomed past me. --Ed--
HL:
I think your CPU may be bad. Have you tested it on another board?
There are several people using the E5200 CPU without problems, including myself.
"If I buy a VGA/PS2 cable can I see the specific problem on screen?"
Maybe... if the system posts, you'll be able to access the BIOS. If the CPU is dead, the VGA/PS2 cable will do nothing for you.
Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs
WHS4u said:
I think your CPU may be bad. Have you tested it on another board?
There are several people using the E5200 CPU without problems, including myself.
"If I buy a VGA/PS2 cable can I see the specific problem on screen?"
Maybe... if the system posts, you'll be able to access the BIOS. If the CPU is dead, the VGA/PS2 cable will do nothing for you.
Well.. I don't have a compatible system to test the CPU so I bought a VGA/PS2 cable. If it does work I'll see whats wrong and disable speed step. If it does not work I'll will have to do a DOA return. (It's very rare for anyone to request a DOA return for a CPU)
If you still have the CPU box, what is the pack date on yours? (Mine is 04/02/09)
Off Topic: Amazon's packing are horrible, just air packs for cushion. (CPU box already torn on opening)
Well.. I don't have a compatible system to test the CPU so I bought a VGA/PS2 cable. If it does work I'll see whats wrong and disable speed step. If it does not work I'll will have to do a DOA return. (It's very rare for anyone to request a DOA return for a CPU) If you still have the CPU box, what is the pack date on yours? (Mine is 04/02/09) Off Topic: Amazon's packing are horrible, just air packs for cushion. (CPU box already torn on opening)
HL:
Pack date is 1/22/09. A DOA CPU is rare but not imposible. I normally get my hardware from Newegg.
Hope it works out.
Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs
Hello everyone:
I just found an excellent CPU comparison chart. I selected the Celeron 440 and the E5200. The results are very interesting.
See it here. (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=72&p2=66).
BTW, if you add the Atom CPU to the mix, you'll realize the Celeron has a big advantage over the Atom and the E5200 is a Goliath.
Marcos
-HP EX-485, Intel E5200 CPU upgrade, 4-750G HDs
Thanks for sharing that link Marcos. It makes me happy I made the investment in the E5200...well, as soon as my VGA cable arrives and I can unlock it's full potential that is. :)
jutley said: Thanks for sharing that link Marcos. It makes me happy I made the investment in the E5200...well, as soon as my VGA cable arrives and I can unlock it's full potential that is. :)Don't forget when I first installed the E5200 it bricked my previous MediaSmart, but the replacement worked just fine, and I also turn off the Smart stepping and now it winds up to the full 2+Mhz that the CPU is capable of.
techaholic said:I do have the E5200 up and running...just need to get the speed stepping turned off so it can really run!jutley said: Thanks for sharing that link Marcos. It makes me happy I made the investment in the E5200...well, as soon as my VGA cable arrives and I can unlock it's full potential that is. :)Don't forget when I first installed the E5200 it bricked my previous MediaSmart, but the replacement worked just fine, and I also turn off the Smart stepping and now it winds up to the full 2+Mhz that the CPU is capable off.
WHS4u said:HL981 said:HL:EdTittel said: A blinking blue status light with no boot-up usually means the motherboard can't recognize the CPU, or perhaps that it might indeed be defective. But because the MSS mobo is so picky, the blinking light only tells you SOMETHING is wrong, not exactly what the problem might be. Sorry I didn't see your query earlier. It just kind of zoomed past me. --Ed--
I think your CPU may be bad. Have you tested it on another board?
There are several people using the E5200 CPU without problems, including myself.
"If I buy a VGA/PS2 cable can I see the specific problem on screen?"
Maybe... if the system posts, you'll be able to access the BIOS. If the CPU is dead, the VGA/PS2 cable will do nothing for you.
I received my VGA/PS2 cable today and it looks like my EX-485 found the CPU but it froze to this screen: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2097/dsc03104.jpg and I am unable to access BIOS
Does that mean I have a DOA CPU?
BTW: I can't find the Intel Speedstep option in the BIOS (Using the old CPU), where is it?.
I returned the E5200 and got a new one today but it still freezes on "2039MB OK".
The Celeron 440 processor works fine...
I searched on Google but I found nothing...
Could it be different BIOS versions causing the problem?
This is where things get interesting. The E5200 is a 65W part. The mitec chassis in the MSS is rated for processors up to 45W and works best with those at 35W or lower. I don't have the same level of experience on the Intel (EX48* models) as I do on the AMD (EX47*) models, but I can tell you we saw (here and on Donavon West's and other MSS focused sites/forums) lots of cases where the same processor that worked in one system wouldn't work in another. Based on pure observation (no calculations, nor any ideas how to do them, either) as the TDP for the CPU goes up, the odds also decrease that a given CPU will work for all users.
You may simply have been bitten by the odds. AFAIK, HP only uses one BIOS on the EX48* models they've released to this point.
HTH,
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
Bio, resume and list of pubs at www.edtittel.com
Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
Expert Q'n'A/content for 6 TechTarget.com Web sites
EdTittel said:
This is where things get interesting. The E5200 is a 65W part. The mitec chassis in the MSS is rated for processors up to 45W and works best with those at 35W or lower. I don't have the same level of experience on the Intel (EX48* models) as I do on the AMD (EX47*) models, but I can tell you we saw (here and on Donavon West's and other MSS focused sites/forums) lots of cases where the same processor that worked in one system wouldn't work in another. Based on pure observation (no calculations, nor any ideas how to do them, either) as the TDP for the CPU goes up, the odds also decrease that a given CPU will work for all users.
You may simply have been bitten by the odds. AFAIK, HP only uses one BIOS on the EX48* models they've released to this point.
HTH,
--Ed--
I guess I'll keep the E5200 CPU for future use...
Off Topic: Is my CPU Temp to high? (CPU TEMP:59C, Room TEMP: 27C)
I just bought an EX485 the other day from NewEgg, included a extra 1T drive. Is there any dual core CPU I can upgrade to, that wont require me to enter the BIOS and turning off the Speed Stepping?
Thank you,
Jeff
Yeah so what happened with this? Did anyone actually get a L3110 and try it out like they said they would?
I'm running into the same problem as HL981. I tried to upgrade to an E5200, but it hangs at "2039 MB okay."
Ed, did you ever get a chance to try out the L3110? It's pricey, but I could probably talk myself into going for it if it works reliably.
DPlatt said: [snip] Ed, did you ever get a chance to try out the L3110? It's pricey, but I could probably talk myself into going for it if it works reliably.
Dear DPlatt (and other interested parties):
I'm still planning to do this, but also still waiting to get paid on some recent big jobs. I promise, as soon as I have enough cash to do this, I will be doing this. For the nonce, however, I just had to tap my line of credit for the latest quarter's (massive) health insurance payment. Until I have enough cash on hand to meet basic needs I can't justify spending money on tech toys! Hope that's at least forgivable, if not completely sensible.
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
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Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
Expert Q'n'A/content for 6 TechTarget.com Web sites
OK, I've finally raised the cash to pay for the L3110, and just ordered it from TheNerds.net for $270, including all costs:
1. CPU $255.99
2. S&H $17.92
3. Expdedite free: $3.99
I did find a discount (code = "couponcraze") that got me $8.00 of the total purchase cost.
I'll report back after I've received the proc and have gone through the install routine.
Now where did I put that Arctic Silver...?
--Ed--
Ed Tittel 2443 Arbor Drive, Round Rock, TX 78681-2160
Bio, resume and list of pubs at www.edtittel.com
Contributing Editor, Tom's Guide
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