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December 24, 2008 10:26 AM

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Inferno

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Hi all
I just recently received my 470 and am comfortable with it (1st time dealing with a server). I've been reading on some of threads that some drives aren't well suited for use with server, i'm ready to start loading her up and was wondering which drives r best suited for the job? Can anybody help me out?

Thanks
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December 25, 2008 8:41 AM

I originally started using the same drives that came in my 475 (Seagate 500GB), but I have changesd to the Western Digital Green drive 1TB model. Just make sure you put at least two new drives into your 470 so that you get the full advantage of folder duplication.

The drive I am using is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151

-Martin EX475 + 11TB, 2 GB mem, LE-1640, HP 3.0 Upgrade, External DVD (USB) PC's: Windows 7 64 Pro, Laptops: Vista Home Premium (32), XP Home SP3 Network: DLink DIR-855

December 26, 2008 7:02 AM

Thanks for the insight i'll order up 2, however you put a mokey in the wrench? What is the purpose for folder duplication? I'm new to server managing and operation.

Thanks again

December 26, 2008 8:26 AM

I use the Western Digital 1TB Black Caviar's for over 6 months. Not a single problem.

December 26, 2008 8:43 AM

Good info, I want it to be as maintenance Free as possible.

December 26, 2008 1:46 PM

I've added two drives to my EX475: Seagate models ST310003 40AS 1.0 TB and ST315003 43AS 1.5 TB. Working great; no problems.

January 15, 2009 7:53 AM

Inferno said: Thanks for the insight i'll order up 2, however you put a mokey in the wrench? What is the purpose for folder duplication? I'm new to server managing and operation. Thanks again
Folder duplication is a software implementation of RAID-1, mirroring.  You can selectively tell the WHS to duplicate data in a folder so that the files reside on both disk drives in your unit.  If a disk were to fail your data, in theory, should still be safe.  You replace the failed disk and the data is once again duplicated over the two disks.  Of course, there is exposure while you replace the failed disk but that can be done pretty quickly.  In a real "production" type environment you would normally have a spare disk on-board, or at least on-site, to immediately replace the failed disk.  This being the home market I don't expect most folks would do that; the nearest Best Buy would be your quickest bet.  The one real nice thing about folder duplication is that you can selectively decide which folders to duplicate instead of the whole disk drive although in practice I would suspect people think everything should be duplicated.  The downside is that it's not as seemless as hardware RAID.  On other precaution, the area used to backup you attached PCs is NOT duplicated so there is exposure to loosing these files although the theory is that you would not loose you PC harddrive simultaneously so you would just replace the sever drive and then re-backup all your attached PCs. 

January 15, 2009 5:21 PM

I have to disagree with you, Cork, Folder Duplication (Drive extender) is not just "software RAID-1, mirroring". For a description please read the MS Technical Brief on the extender and storage available from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/support... .

To highlight a number of s\discussions on the topic let me point out a few MAJOR differences: (1) The volumes (disks) are all formatted with NTFS, (2) they can be of varying sizes, (3) they can easily be added or removed, (4) they are independent of any controller.

I would also argue that it is every bit as seamless as hardware RAID, more so as they can vary in size, are hardware independent and NTFS formatted. You can recover your Shared Folders in a completely different machine.

There are far more differences detailed in threads both here and, to an even greater extent, over on http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/

Using the BDBB Add-In you can actually duplicate the backup database as well, eliminating that exposure.

I do generally agree with your other comments.

...JohnBick

January 15, 2009 6:09 PM

John ...

OK, I'll give you that I made a rather simplistic explaination of the WHS facility but it was intended to be that way to promote the understanding that "this is goodness". I have been running RAID-1 on desktop systems for years until I go the WHS and began utilizing it for file storage and retired the desktop systems. The Promise RAID cards saved me several times over the years though I have noticed that disk drives seem to be getting more reliable these days.

... Cork

January 16, 2009 4:32 AM

Cork and John
If i'm reading this correctly it means that i can pick and choose which folders/data i want duplicated instead of having to sacrifice a whole drive as in raid-1 mirroring which will afford me more storage space.

Inferno

January 16, 2009 6:52 AM

That's true, however, a typical use for a server (and it's backing RAID capabillity) is to store things that are considered vital. I found that nearly everything I have on the server is duplicated.

February 17, 2009 4:07 PM

In order to mitigate your risks even more I'd recommend getting the drives from different manufacturers. If you buy multiple drives from the same manufacturer at the same time they are probably from the same batch. If one dies from a defect, there is a chance the entire batch will have the same defect.

The university where I used to work at lost both drives in a RAID 1 array within a couple of hours. The second one died while the first one was being restored so they lost some data.

March 1, 2009 11:32 AM

Or buy from the same manufacturer but space the purchases over time. (Also has the advantage of having the prices decrease and the capacities increase.) Generally one does not need ALL the capacity at one time!

...JohnBick

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