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I placed an order for an EX475 just yesterday and I am wondering if anyone has any GOOD advise on how to proceed after receiving it.  I have 3 PCs that will utilize it.  One is XP Home and two are Vista Ultimate 64 bit.  My router is Linksys WRT160N with the two Vista machines having the N adapters(wireless) and the XP with g wireless and g wired adapter.  Do I just follow directions or has anyone found better ways to proceed.  My main focus, initially at least, will be backups and photo storage and viewing.  Looking forward to using the device.  Thanks in advance.

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September 21, 2008 10:19 AM

My 2 cents:

* Follow the instructions...

* Assign a static IP to the server IN the router (I have WRT600N). It is much easier and less risky than to configure the server with a static IP (imo).

* Upgrade the memory to 2GB (optional)

* I personally like to control the backups for my PCS, I don't have automatic schedules or anything like that.

Chris -

September 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Thanks. Doesn't upgrading the memory void the warranty? Is voiding the warranty that big a deal? Is the machine really that bad if the memory isn't upgraded? Sorry for all the dumb questions, I really am excited about getting the machine.

September 21, 2008 11:22 AM

Yeah, if you have the stock 512MB, do not install any addins or you'll run in to slow-downs/disk grinding. All the extra junk HP puts on it uses up every bit of the memory. Especially after the PP1 and HP updates that recently came out.

It does void your warranty, but if it doesn't work properly because they overloaded it with garbage and stock ram isn't enough, then I don't want it at all. Just reinstall the old stick if you run in to any issues and need to send it back.
Here's a tutorial on how to upgrade the ram:
http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2007/12/upgrade-memory-in-your-hp-ex470.html

September 21, 2008 1:20 PM

Ah that's great. Thanks for the link. I think I should go get the 2gb stick and have it when the server arrives. Thanks again.

September 21, 2008 5:44 PM

I recommend the below Memory:

Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory Model CT25664AA667 - I Purchased mine from newegg.com

I installed this about 1 1/2 weeks ago and my EX470 is running rock solid. I had tried the G.Skill 2GB chip that was recommended by the homeserverhacks.com site and the server was crashing / rebooting fairly constantly. Whether incompatible or perhaps a bad chip, I dont know for sure, but the Crucial chip has been solid. Good luck.

September 21, 2008 6:26 PM

I personally also recommend running your unit for a few days BEFORE doing any upgrades (other than adding another disk, if desired) to let it burn in and get confidence that everything is OK. Go ahead and install some Add-Ins as desired, just recognize that performance will greatly improve when you add the memory.

I also recommend replacing the CPU with the LE-1640. It's not a lot of additional effort once you have everything apart to do the memory upgrade.

Either of those upgrades should cost you around $40. If you are paying much more shop around! NewEgg is MUCH better than the local stores for these.

...JohnBick

EX475 + 3 1TB WD (2.5TB "pool", 1.5TB backup), 2 GB mmry, LE-1640, APC UPS
PC1: Vista/32 Ultimate SP1, 2x150 GB Raptor RAID-1 Sys (C) & 4x320GB RAID-5 Data (D)
PC2: Laptop, Win XP Home SP3
Linksys WRT54G v1.1, 2xNetGear GS105

September 21, 2008 7:41 PM

I had planned on setting it up and running a few days before I installed the memory. I just don't know about the cpu. For me, I think I'll wait a while and see if I really need it. I'm basically lazy and the memory upgrade is about all I want handle right now. Thanks for the advice.

September 26, 2008 12:28 AM

I just popped the Patriot stick (from Newegg naturally) that was originally recommended by homeserverhack.com before they started touting the gskill memory and WOW what a difference! HP needs to make this available NOW or offer amnesty to those who have already done the upgrade. I happen to have tools suited for this work but if you do not get a decent quality OO philips screwdriver before you try to pop the screws on the front bezel. Otherwise chances are you will damage or strip them making it obvious you have opened it up if you do have to put the original in for warranty work. I thought about doing the CPU as well but heck, I am mostly just moving files and doing backups anyway and didn't want to run into potential voltage problems with the newer revisions of the processors available now. If you have any doubts about it I can tell you the memory alone made a huge huge difference.

September 26, 2008 8:06 AM

HP announced yesterday that upgrading the MSS memory to 2GB will no longer void our warranties. HP will not be doing any upgrades and there was no mention of changes in the units they are shipping. Some discussion can be found at:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2428

(I had started a similar thread on this board but can no longer find it.)

...JohnBick

EX475 + 3 1TB WD (2.5TB "pool", 1.5TB backup), 2 GB mmry, LE-1640, APC UPS
PC1: Vista/32 Ultimate SP1, 2x150 GB Raptor RAID-1 Sys (C) & 4x320GB RAID-5 Data (D)
PC2: Laptop, Win XP Home SP3
Linksys WRT54G v1.1, 2xNetGear GS105

September 26, 2008 8:13 AM

I think I'll leave the processor alone. I have the memory stick ready to install but will be a few days before I do. I just got the MSS up and running 2 days ago and am still exploring. I have to get that 00 screwdriver yet. After a few head scratches all seems well. I just tried copying a few photos over and I can't seem to add them to an album, they don't show up to be added. I'll figure it out though.

September 26, 2008 8:23 AM

Good announcement! Maybe they will start shipping it with 2gb like they should have from the beginning or at least make it where it's not so hard to upgrade it.

September 26, 2008 7:47 PM

It is actually very easy to upgrade - even the processor :-)

Chris -

September 27, 2008 12:01 PM updated: September 27, 2008 12:03 PM

ChrisCalderon said: It is actually very easy to upgrade - even the processor :-)

I agree, the upgrade process is certainly very simple, but here are my reasons for choosing to not upgrade the processor.  First, all of the mentioned compatible processors on homeserverhacks were no longer available at the sites I checked for them.  While in theory any socket 940 proc will by physically compatible, core voltages and thermal profiles are not all the same.  Since there is little that can easily be done with the (unknown) quantity with the PSU, potential bios settings controlling voltages, and especially the passive or nearly passive cooling solution employed, I hesitate to drop any of the processors I did find available as many of them consume larger amounts of power and are dual core as opposed to the single core proc specified in the list of confirmed compatible processors.  Additionally, running a higher core voltage and hotter processor will consume more energy, while additional ram will not.  While small, over time, that adds up to operational dollars.

Having said that, I wonder if anyone has successfully dropped a multiple core proc in and if so how much of a performance boost was really gained.  I just don't see a machine being used in a file and backup server capacity gaining a whole lot from a hot dual core processor as these are not really long term processor intensive tasks.

September 27, 2008 7:20 PM

There is quirte a bit of discussion about (successful) dual-core modifications over on MediaSmartServer.net. This is probably the "key" thread over there:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1102&hilit=amd

(It is NOT for the "faint of heart"!)

...JohnBick

EX475 + 3 1TB WD (2.5TB "pool", 1.5TB backup), 2 GB mmry, LE-1640, APC UPS
PC1: Vista/32 Ultimate SP1, 2x150 GB Raptor RAID-1 Sys (C) & 4x320GB RAID-5 Data (D)
PC2: Laptop, Win XP Home SP3
Linksys WRT54G v1.1, 2xNetGear GS105

September 27, 2008 7:54 PM

FWIW ... the Recommended CPU from homeserverhacks (LE-1640) is still supposedly available from tigerdirect.com . I was disappointed that none of the recommended ones are available from newegg. I have been debating whether or not to bother doing the upgrade myself. I even considered buying it and holding onto it for a later time once its past the 1 year warranty anyways, etc.

October 6, 2008 11:50 AM

cj said:
ChrisCalderon said: It is actually very easy to upgrade - even the processor :-)
I agree, the upgrade process is certainly very simple, but here are my reasons for choosing to not upgrade the processor.  First, all of the mentioned compatible processors on homeserverhacks were no longer available at the sites I checked for them.  While in theory any socket 940 proc will by physically compatible, core voltages and thermal profiles are not all the same.  Since there is little that can easily be done with the (unknown) quantity with the PSU, potential bios settings controlling voltages, and especially the passive or nearly passive cooling solution employed, I hesitate to drop any of the processors I did find available as many of them consume larger amounts of power and are dual core as opposed to the single core proc specified in the list of confirmed compatible processors.  Additionally, running a higher core voltage and hotter processor will consume more energy, while additional ram will not.  While small, over time, that adds up to operational dollars. Having said that, I wonder if anyone has successfully dropped a multiple core proc in and if so how much of a performance boost was really gained.  I just don't see a machine being used in a file and backup server capacity gaining a whole lot from a hot dual core processor as these are not really long term processor intensive tasks.

I tried dropping a dual core in mine. It didn't work. The mobo either won't support dual core or a custom bios needs to be installed.

October 6, 2008 11:53 AM

I reccommend getting yourself up to 3 drives total in the box as soon as possible (ideally, before you boot it up for the first time). Without 3 drives you do not get the full safety of file duplication. If you have already booted up, then get a third drive and install it. Then disable folder duplication for a few days to allow for the OS to remove everything. Then turn it back on. You will now have the system and tombstones on the first drive, data on the second and duplicate copies on the third drive. Now if any disk fails, you are covered and should not loose anything.

October 6, 2008 1:10 PM

Martin said:
cj said:
ChrisCalderon said: It is actually very easy to upgrade - even the processor :-)
I agree, the upgrade process is certainly very simple, but here are my reasons for choosing to not upgrade the processor.  First, all of the mentioned compatible processors on homeserverhacks were no longer available at the sites I checked for them.  While in theory any socket 940 proc will by physically compatible, core voltages and thermal profiles are not all the same.  Since there is little that can easily be done with the (unknown) quantity with the PSU, potential bios settings controlling voltages, and especially the passive or nearly passive cooling solution employed, I hesitate to drop any of the processors I did find available as many of them consume larger amounts of power and are dual core as opposed to the single core proc specified in the list of confirmed compatible processors.  Additionally, running a higher core voltage and hotter processor will consume more energy, while additional ram will not.  While small, over time, that adds up to operational dollars. Having said that, I wonder if anyone has successfully dropped a multiple core proc in and if so how much of a performance boost was really gained.  I just don't see a machine being used in a file and backup server capacity gaining a whole lot from a hot dual core processor as these are not really long term processor intensive tasks.
I tried dropping a dual core in mine. It didn't work. The mobo either won't support dual core or a custom bios needs to be installed.

A dual core processor will NOT "drop in" in the MSS. There is an extensive discussion about dual core procesors here:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1102&hilit=amd

It is possible to do this but it is not a simple modification. I suggest you thoroughly check out that thread before attempting it. 

...JohnBick

EX475 + 3 1TB WD (2.5TB "pool", 1.5TB backup), 2 GB mmry, LE-1640, APC UPS
PC1: Vista/32 Ultimate SP1, 2x150 GB Raptor RAID-1 Sys (C) & 4x320GB RAID-5 Data (D)
PC2: Laptop, Win XP Home SP3
Linksys WRT54G v1.1, 2xNetGear GS105

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