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Cindy W

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Joined: 04/21/2008

Per my blog post today, I noted that Real Networks has just announced RealDVD, a program that lets you legally save the contents of protected DVDs to a PC hard drive. 

Once you've saved the DVD to disk, you apparently can't copy that file to another drive.  But, if you save it orginally to the Server, you will be able to stream it to your other devices, such as your TVs or other PCs.

The software is in pre-release.  Larry Magid has an article on the topic in SiliconValley.com.   Larry says:

I've been testing a pre-release copy of the product and it pretty much works as advertised. I copied several movies from my DVD collection to my PC's hard drive and, after putting the original DVDs back on my shelf, was able to play the movies on my PC.

 Has anyone tried to copy DVD movies to their MediaSmart Server using this new software? Did it work well for you?  How did you do it?

Cindy

Disclaimer: Any opinions I might express are my own, and in no way represent HP.

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September 16, 2008 6:51 PM

FYI, one gets the following error when attempting to access Larry Magid's article:

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Secure Connection Failed

secure.www.mediasmarthome.com uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for www.opendns.com
The certificate expired on 9/12/2008 7:59 PM.

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)

* This could be a problem with the server's configuration, or it could be someone trying to impersonate the server.
* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.

...JohnBick

September 17, 2008 5:07 AM updated: September 17, 2008 5:11 AM

It magically works if you copy/paste the link instead of directly clicking.

I prefer Slysoft's legal software (all of it is legal). It gets the job done very nicely. It's not illegal to rip DVD's to your hard drive in the first place, as long as you bought it.

September 17, 2008 7:46 AM updated: September 17, 2008 7:47 AM

MitchSchaft said: It magically works if you copy/paste the link instead of directly clicking. I prefer Slysoft's legal software (all of it is legal). It gets the job done very nicely. It's not illegal to rip DVD's to your hard drive in the first place, as long as you bought it.

I have seen quite a few very lively emotional and legalistic threads on this topic...I am not a lawyer nor any kind of copyright expert but it is a little hard to get past the "It is illegal to copy this DVD" as you are ripping it to your HDD. There is no doubt that the media industry does NOT want you make a digital copy....all that encryption stuff and all.

Like so many I keep telling myself it is legal but I bet to the letter of the law it is not. Will the media industry come after the joe that defeats the encryption and makes a backup copy with no intent to distribute it or profit from it? probably not.....but that does not make it legal... 

nmpcrazy

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September 18, 2008 1:34 AM

nmpcrazy, I couldn't agree with you more on your points.  I agree that in general ripping DVDs probably isn't technically legal, and just because it seems as if it might be legal or should be, doesn't make it so.  The RealDVD solution Cindy mentions above might not be legal either although it claims to be 100% legal on its site.  I just wish this issue was cleared up one way or another.  The MPAA needs to step up.

To get back to Cindy's questions and reference to the article (here's the correct link by the way), it looks as if the product is called RealDVD, but it's not generally available yet.  You can learn more about the product and sign up for notification when it comes available by clicking here.

September 18, 2008 7:22 AM

If you own it, you can rip it. Sharing it is the illegal part.

September 19, 2008 12:59 PM

Several of us are having issues with the link to Larry Magid's article -- so, hopefully Larry won't mind if I copy his article for our forum (thanks, Larry, and SiliconValley.com!):

Magid: New legal way to copy movie DVDs

By Larry Magid
For the Mercury News

Article Launched: 09/15/2008 12:06:49 AM PDT



As you are probably aware, almost all commercial DVDs are embedded with software to prevent their being copied. That software, called "content scrambling system" (CSS), not only prevents users from duplicating their DVDs but also from copying a movie from the DVD to a PC or other device.

That's a drag. If I buy a movie, I want to be able to enjoy it anytime and anywhere, whether on my TV, a PC, an iPod or other portable device. But for that to happen, I have to defeat the studios' copy protection scheme.

There have been numerous programs that do that, including one called DeCSS from a Norwegian programmer named Jon Lech Johansen, who, while a teenager, was put on trial by Norwegian authorities for the "crime" of helping to write the software. He was eventually acquitted of the charges.

Here in the United States, a company called 321 Studios published software to allow PC users to make backup copies of DVDs, but it was sued by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and ultimately closed up shop after its product was found to be in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. That law prohibits producing or distributing technology to circumvent copy protection measures (known as Digital Rights Management) in copyrighted works.

But an Internet search for "copy protected DVDs" reveals other workarounds, including free programs like DVD Decrypter (still available but not updated since 1995) and DVDFab (based in China) that effectively defeat the copy protection on commercial DVDs. Such programs can be found online, but software that allows you to make copies of protected movies is not sold or distributed by well-known U.S. software publishers.

That's about to change — sort of. Real Networks of RealPlayer and Rhapsody music service fame has just announced RealDVD, a program that lets you "legally" save the contents of protected DVDs to a PC hard drive. I said "sort of" because the copy you get has its own digital rights management that limits what you can do with it.

I've been testing a pre-release copy of the product and it pretty much works as advertised. I copied several movies from my DVD collection to my PC's hard drive and, after putting the original DVDs back on my shelf, was able to play the movies on my PC. But because of restrictions engineered into the product, the movies can't be played on other devices, such as an iPod, Apple TV, a PS 3 or even a Macintosh. Some other DVD ripping programs, including tinyurl.com/6lu5ob, allow you to play movies on a variety of devices.

Copying a DVD with RealDVD is easy. You just run the program, insert the DVD and click on either Save or "Play and Save." If you pick the latter, the video plays while it's copied. Real Networks says it can take between 10 and 40 minutes to copy a movie, depending on the length of the movie and the speed of your DVD drive. It took me about a half hour for each of the three movies I copied. As you save, the program displays the percentage completed.

Playing a movie is even easier. The program displays cover art and a synopsis of the movie along with its rating and length. Simply click on the cover art of any movie you've copied and it begins to play just as if you had inserted the DVD, only faster because you don't have to wait for a slow mechanical DVD drive to extract data from a plastic disc.

As with the physical disc, you can play the movie, select a scene or watch special features, such as deleted scenes or director's commentary. Because the program makes an exact copy, there is no compression, so the folders that contain the movies can be quite large. Mine each came out to about 7.5 gigabytes.

Once you've saved a DVD to a disk, you can't copy that file to another drive. But if you saved it to a removable external hard drive or memory device such as a USB thumb drive, you can watch it on up to 5 Windows PCs that you register to use with the program.

"It's sort of equivalent to the rules of the road that were established in the music area,'' Real Networks CEO Rob Glaser said in an interview.

The program has some interesting extra features, including parental controls that allow you to password protect your film library so that anyone without the password — such as your children — can only watch videos that fall below a certain ratings such as PG-13, PG or R. If you need to take a break, the program remembers where you stopped and lets you resume from that point.

The program will have an introductory price of $29.95 when it becomes available later this month. There is a $19.95 charge for each of up to four additional licenses to use on other computers. It works with standard DVDs only. There is no support for Blu-ray.

 

Contact Larry Magid at larry@larrymagid.com. Listen for Larry's technology chats on KCBS AM-740 weekdays at 3:50 p.m.

Cindy

Disclaimer: Any opinions I might express are my own, and in no way represent HP.

September 19, 2008 6:14 PM

He should've mentioned the Kaleidescape legal case, where a judge (here in the U.S., not foreign) said it's not illegal to copy DVDs last year. I don't like how he's throwing about the word "legal" and not backing it up with some real info. Sounds like they're doing that for publicity. Booo to CSS and their exploiters.

September 20, 2008 10:04 PM

Reading the above I too have some reservations...needless to say I think DRM is a pain and one should rather focus ones resources and efforts to limit sharing of copyrighted material instead.

"including free programs like DVD Decrypter (still available but not updated since 1995)"

-I think meant to say 2005; we barely had CDROMS in 1995 with Windows 95 :)

September 30, 2008 9:59 PM

Bad news...
Studios Sue to Bar a DVD Copying Program

October 1, 2008 8:50 AM

The MPAA just doesn't get it. They are going to have a black mark on their face for this one. You would have thought that they would have taken a lesson from the Music Industry. Oh well...

October 3, 2008 8:49 PM

The way I read it is RealDVD is not "cracking" the css encryption,it is transferring it along with the movie to the harddrive.

October 6, 2008 3:25 PM

Looks like the judge in the case stopped all sales of the RealDVD software until this gets worked out.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081005-judge-temporarily-halts-sale-of...

October 10, 2008 4:18 PM

I love AnyDVD. Down with the MPAA.

December 30, 2008 10:42 AM

I second SlySoft's AnyDVD software. With that and handbrake (to re-enconde it to m4v format) I've copied almost all of my 400+ DVD's to my Media Smart Server. Add the Zune software to the mix and I can now stream those movies to any TV in the house with a trusty XBox 360 attached. I've even got them seperated into genre folders, and they come with thumbnails. The ability to no longer hassle with DVD's is its own reward. AnyDVD for a few dollars more also gives the ability to copy BluRay and HDDVD discs. I love the software.

Touching on the legality for a moment - Contrary to whatever the MPAA would like to believe, my DVD's are mine to do with what I please and that includes converting them into a more convenient format to enjoy. I'm against piracy on moral grounds, but they need to learn that consumers will do the right thing by and large, but only if it's not too inconvenient. The more they punish the paying customer, the more paying customers they'll lose to convenient piracy.

Personally, I think they should be going the other way with this.. Convert all movies into digital format with no DRM and charge a flat $5.00 for them. I think they'd be surprised at the amount of revenue it would generate. Make it easier... not harder.

December 30, 2008 12:04 PM updated: December 30, 2008 12:06 PM

AnyDVD Fan said: I second SlySoft's AnyDVD software. With that and handbrake (to re-enconde it to m4v format) I've copied almost all of my 400+ DVD's to my Media Smart Server. Add the Zune software to the mix and I can now stream those movies to any TV in the house with a trusty XBox 360 attached. I've even got them seperated into genre folders, and they come with thumbnails. The ability to no longer hassle with DVD's is its own reward. AnyDVD for a few dollars more also gives the ability to copy BluRay and HDDVD discs. I love the software. Touching on the legality for a moment - Contrary to whatever the MPAA would like to believe, my DVD's are mine to do with what I please and that includes converting them into a more convenient format to enjoy. I'm against piracy on moral grounds, but they need to learn that consumers will do the right thing by and large, but only if it's not too inconvenient. The more they punish the paying customer, the more paying customers they'll lose to convenient piracy. Personally, I think they should be going the other way with this.. Convert all movies into digital format with no DRM and charge a flat $5.00 for them. I think they'd be surprised at the amount of revenue it would generate. Make it easier... not harder.

I have to go with DVDFab HD Decrypter....it is free and does a heck of a job!

While I agree with your opinion for the most part....it is only an opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with the law. The MPAA does not have to believe anything other than what the law says and while I agree with you and your opinion, according to the law we can not do what we please with our legally purchased DVDs.

June 18, 2009 3:51 PM

Where the whole rights thing gets murky and people often miss (as was kind of said before) is that you have the right to copy the DVD. You don't have the right to break the copy protection to do so. It is just more legal stupidity. It is just another one of those things that only really hurts people that would be legal and really does nothing to stop those who do not.

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