You can't unless you rip it open, create a connectin for the onboard video adapter to your monitor by creating a cable from scratch, then install a CD rom. And you'll have to buy a separate copy of WHS. Kind of ridiculous to get a vanilla install.
All you really need to do is upgrade the ram.
Categories: Server Mods and Hacking
Hello everybody, I am need to the whs world, and just purchased the ex475. It is a great server, and do much more then I orginally expected.
Just like I did with all my other pcs, I would like to have a plain vanilla version of WHS. Anybody know how can this be done? Technically, this is possible, but since the hp is headless, how can we actually do it?
I've examined the hp server restore disc, but what's in there is a drive image, so that's not something I can combine with a retail whs install disc. I also thought of installing using a usb dvd-rom, but there is no monitor. Any ideas?
I would do that (see http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2007/12/upgrade-memory-in-your-hp-ex470.html ) and also follow his other instruction on slapping in a new processor.
it is SOOOOO worth it! As shipped, the WHS is a complete dog-- even without any addins or any of your files on it. In order to keep the price down they went with the BARE minimum to give this thing a heartbeat... so do yourself a favor, be brave, and follow those instructions exactly to have a hummin' fine server!
MediaMonkey said: I would do that (see http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2007/12/upgrade-memory-in-your-hp-ex470.html ) and also follow his other instruction on slapping in a new processor. it is SOOOOO worth it! As shipped, the WHS is a complete dog-- even without any addins or any of your files on it. In order to keep the price down they went with the BARE minimum to give this thing a heartbeat... so do yourself a favor, be brave, and follow those instructions exactly to have a hummin' fine server!
MediaMonkey,
I agree. I am a newbie and have had my HP MSS for two weeks now. I love it. I went out last night and bought a 2gb stick of ram and will be putting that in today. I also saw his article on replacing the processor. What do you think? Is that a good idea or will you see enough improvements by just upgrading the ram? I am going to be running apps like sharepoint on mine so I definately need the ram, but not sure what I will get out of upgrading the processor, if it is really worth it.
Thanks
Check out the task manager and see how much of the CPU is eaten up when running your tasks. I'm not sure what sharepoint is, so maybe somebody has a full answer :D.
Aside from the default MSS apps, I run mControl home automation, mcafee, PerfectDisk and a uTorrent client. I haven't ran in to any CPU issues, but the ram upgrade was a must.
The processor is not very expensive at all and if you are opening it up, you might as well do the whole deal while you're in there. And I'm telling you it's a 1-2 punch that is well worth it. Mine doesn't slow down at all-- I have (re)loaded 4TB worth of mp3 and DVD's. To test it, I simultaneously did the following: had iTunes copy all my music to the share drive, uploaded files to WHS from 2 PC's, and streamed 3 different DVD movies to 3 apple TVs, while streaming a blu-ray DVD file to another PC and playing music from an xbox360... wow! The only thing I didn't try stressing it with was doing all that while pulling files via a remote login connection.
It never flinched as I went from room to room during the hour I did this. Trust me, I did a dance of joy :) as this was the first time I've actually got all this to work!
The console absolutely flies, loads instantly and there are no annoying pauses when I switch to another tab within console, and installing software on the WHS doesn't phase it either. It's behaving like a PC now instead of a common cheap little storage unit!
The only occasional problem I still have is the annoying "bad disk" error. When I upgraded the WHS software, I see it turned on disk duplication-- when I shut that off, the problem goes away. I just back up the WHS to a port-muliplited e-SATA tower to keep copies of what is on my WHS.
Wow MediaMonkey, that is what I call stress testing!!! That is awesome. I did put the memory in yesterday and have seen a big difference. The processor was out of stock but should be in by Monday so I will do that when it comes in. Now I just have to find some screws since I stripped mine even using the #00 screwdriver !!! :-)
One question now is, what do you use to rip your dvd's to the server? That is the next thing I want to start doing. Do you store them as divx so the xbox 360 can play them?
Thanks MitchSchaft - I will keep an eye on that too. I will also check out some of the add-ins you are running. I have not looked into some of those.
Those screws are very touchy, I'll agree. I think one of my was stripped from the factory actually. It barely held when I was removing it.
I'm still configuring the server, as the xbox wasn't seeing any video files and I guess I have to add either WMP11 or the Zune player to get it to do that. I still have more of my library to put on the server too (non-dvd video files). But I see the light at the end of the tunnel!
Regarding the rest of this thread, when I am talking about digital files I am assuming they are backups of DVD's you own:
I've spent the last 6 months doing the "DVD dance" as I call it. I've tried all the various methods and ways to convert purchased DVD's to digital files--- but only if they maintain the same quality.
It makes no sense to lose quality when TV's and video accessories get better and better every few years. 5 years from now, the people who converted their DVD's to sub-DVD quality now will be complaining like crazy.
The Xbox is horrible for video compared to the apple TV's, so I was streaming music to it. But apparently if I have WMP11 or Zune on the WHS I can stream video to it.. I'm trying that now. You have to install more software (of course) to get an xbox360 to play videos. If WMP11 or Zune don't work on the WHS I'll try installing the "media extender" from MS directly on it.
You can stream divx or the apple format... but I don't want to do that. i want 100% DVD quality as that is what I paid for... so my goal is to stream UN-converted DVD files. The VOB files are converted enough :)
DivX is fine for your home movies. But not for a hollywood blockbuster!
That said, here are a few things I've learned:
1) You will most likely need to keep 2 versions of a digitized DVD, one for HDTV's and full-screen viewing, and a smaller sized file for portables and smaller TV's. So plan accordingly :)
2) Converting DVD's to digital files is a painful process, still. It is not quick nor easy. There are a million settings to worry about, assuming the software you use actually gets it right the first time converting (I've had to re-do about 1 in 10 conversions as the final file contains errors).
3) Regarding conversion, there are 2 steps: ripping (back) to digital, and conversion to any other format if desired.
4) Ripping to digital, there is only 1 piece of software that frankly works and is reasonable in price. You can spend almost $1000 and get a commercial-grade application which will do it nicely, I found one that I SOOO want to buy--- but who the heck wants to?! Opting not to spend that much, I've spent nearly $500 trying several cheaper ones instead, mind you. And most of these smaller companies were good enough to refund my purchase when I said their software did not work as I required. I use DVD-Copy V and swear by it right now. It will convert your DVD's to VOB files without fuss, and almost perfectly every time. I am unable to get their blu-ray application to work for me, however.
5) Converting to "commonly playable" format requires another piece of software... and you want one which is flexible enough to handle anything in either direction. Again, after spending almost a grand trying 15 different "converters" and being disppointed over and over again, and then "handbrake" or other snapple-related software and other freebies, I settled on CuCusoft's Ultimate converter suite. Very nice, though takes a bit to learn, but I can now take ANY of my video files and convert to ANY other stinkin' format I choose! Yay! Never a problem with quality, syncing/mis-muxing of audio to video... I just point to the DVD file, specify the final format, and away it goes.
6) DivX is absolutely horrible. There are no converters out there that work like the DVD-Copy and Cucusoft combination. And you can use Cucusoft to convert to DIVX, however the problem lies in the DivX codec as there are a million of them to use-- trial and error is the only way to find the right one and you waste alot of time trying... so I don't bother. And to be honest, installing and uninstalling and trying various codecs really MESSED UP MY MACHINE. Be very careful with your codecs... you can corrupt ones that currenty work!!! I had to do alot of damage control at various points, from trying all these unprofessionally made conversion programs. Heck, even the slick, expensive ones messed up many registry settings and codecs!
Definitely back up your registry and set a system restore point before installing or trying ANY video converting software! You don't need to do this if all you do is rip directly to VOB files though.
7) Trying to get a tiny file, while STILL maintaining true DVD quality is almost impossible. So, if you have a WHS, and terabyte drives are getting cheaper and cheaper, why fuss about it. Keep your files as VOB's until the day comes when someone actually makes a program which will shrink them without ANY loss of quality, and can do it without you having to tinker with dozens of settings all day long until you get it right (and the next movie might need different settings mind you).
Movies are mostly 9GB in size, though older movies and some newer ones are 5GB. That said, on average you will get 190 full=length, DVD-quality movies on a 1TB drive. (Blu-ray movies are 25GB and up in size).
Shrinking them down will get you about 5-6x the movies on a single TB drive.
8) Bottom line is that I will have all my DVD's on a central location (I have over 500 so this will take a while...). When I need to, I can pop one of those VOB files into cucusoft, to make a smaller, universal file which will play on my iPod or phone, or car player. Otherwise, I can just stream my full-quality DVD video anywhere in my home, in HD. That includes my laptop.. as all I have to do is stream over the net to my laptop.
I've compared the VOB file to converted output on a 50" HDTV and you can easily tell the difference-- can see what got compressed! However, on my old 1993 projection TV, the iPod, or the Nokia, I cannot. It's all about the resolution. It's your call :)
9) Blu-ray is QUITE challenging but worth it :) I'm still experimenting with the process of ripping content. I end up with dozens of mt2s files, which play with the PowerDVD Ultimate package (only) but I hear I can re-name them to mpg and they will then play on anything else. I've yet to try that. I'm too busy now trying to digitize my DVDs!
Final thought...
I'm not condoning any kind of theft of hollywood's material... and if you do make copies of your own stuff please do NOT put it on the net or give it away to friends and family (who can post it without your knowledge). Doing so will only raise the costs of everything hollywood makes, as well as force them into further complicating the formats and processes we now have. Look how blu-ray is different and how you can't use the same applications as you do with DVD's... the technology behind the blu-ray was augmented so as to prevent any copying... so please don't give the world the movies you paid for... let them buy their own copies :)
(I can't wait to stream my first blu-ray backup from the WHS!)
Update: WMP11 and the Zune application do not install on WHS.
Not sure what I'm going to do. I'll try the PVConnect, and failing that, maybe VMC video server will work.
I have no idea how these people here say they are streaming video to their XBOX's... unless they are bouncing through a PC with Media Center on it. But that defeats the purpose of having your PC off to watch videos.
It's taken iTunes 8 hours now to build my final music database and all the album artwork lol... now to figure out how to keep the server library updated to be the true central repository :( I don't want to keep all my music on one PC and "import" (importing is wrong actually, you need to point to the server then "consolidate" to the server). I guess as long as I point to the server lib, and set it to automatically add to it, and find that script which will automate the WHS iTunes app to refresh it's library... all will be well.
MediaMonkey, Thanks a lot for all that information. I learned a lot from what you have posted. Wow, that is a nice DVD collection. I only have about 150 and yes, I only want to put them on my serve to stream and have a back up copy of. I purchase everything I want and do not share it, I agree with you on that. I just want to be able to sit back and stream a dvd. I will let you know what I end up doing. Good luck with your iTunes setup, hope it all works out.
Thanks again
Thanks for the CuCusoft recommendation, I'm about to check that out! I use Slysoft's Clonedvd2 and Anydvd for ripping. I'm having troubles finding a program that will convert to wmv or mpg or something that will stream to my v1 media center extenders with no troubles. That means I need AC3 converted to just stereo, as the extender doesn't touch AC3 and won't allow the entire video to play because of it.
I'll report back if it does the job that I'm looking for. The only codecs I mess with are ffdshow and haali media splitter for matrovski, mkv type files.
I hopefully will be getting my HPhomeserver in a few days, so i'll be here if I have any issuse. As to streaming to my xbox 360. I have been doing this thru my pc using TWonky server. It was the only good server I found, and it works perfectly...Hope the TWonky server on WHS works as good. Reading these post it adds feature not found on the PC's side.
Any infor would be appriciated.
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